Confused?

Confused?

Postby doug » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:19 am

Wow we have our own forum. Fast too, ain't it? Reload if you want, blazin'. Okay let me break it down like this in case you didn't see the XDA threads:

Hello Google Android world, please welcome this shameful WinMo apostate into your ranks right away (and hello WinMo world, I'm not abandoning you yet) because I'm honestly a good guy who wants to start helping you all buy more batteries smartly as, when it comes to capacity claims of everyone other than HTC that I know of so far, you are in a sea of lies and gross exaggerations. I know this from publicly testing ten batteries for the HTC Touch Pro2/Rhodium/Tilt 2, batteries from the same factories that stamped out many of the third party batteries being sold for the N1, including batteries made by Mugen and Seidio.

As of now, for the Nexus One, I have only tested two batteries: the OEM N1 which is rated at 1400mAh and a Seidio 3200mAh courtesy of Rotohammer. At a 250mA current over a discharge from the phone's charging cutoff down to the phone shutdown cutoff (~4.14V and 3.5V respectively), the OEM battery clocked in at 1357mAh, or 97% of its claimed capacity. That is the best claimed versus actual figure I've seen so far, though on par with the Touch Pro2's OEMs which I tested, also in the mid 90s. The Seidio 3200mAh clocked in at 2691mAh or 84% of its rated capacity and because this was a mega large battery I ran the thing five times, deep cycling and all that shit. On top of those two batteries I also tested thirteen TP2 batteries, two new and one used OEMs and ten third party, no names and counterfeits.

I didn't do this alone. Sean aka Telek and anit77 from XDA guided me through this every step of the way, teaching me a lot about electricity, hooking me up with batteries, answering questions on the threads and I'm grateful for that. I'm also grateful to Shawn aka sm0k3y, Jeremy and my man Steve aka Rotohammer for supplying me with knowledge and batteries, some of which were expensive. So instead of saying "I" I'm going to switch to "we."

So we say hello a little short on information, inviting any of you who want to help find the truth to let me borrow your batteries to test after which, as I've been doing with the TP2 crowd, I would fedex them right back once I've finished testing them. And Nexus One people, all the information I can bring to the table you can use to get an idea of what to expect from their N1 counterparts. TP2 crowd, vice versa. So you want to help us out? Hit me with a message here: http://batteryboss.org/#contact.

How this works:
I am using the Computerized Battery Analyzer III. The software which is somewhat sophisticated plots out milliamp hours (mAh) burned over the descent of voltage from ~4.14V to 3.5V which we have determined to be the level of voltage in the batteries at which point the HTC/Google Nexus One and the Touch Pro2s decide to stop charging themselves and decides it's time to turn itself off because it's too low on juice and you don't want to run batteries at too low a voltage. The CBA software plots out data in graphs, PDFs, CSVs, the whole deal. I hook the batteries up to the CBA which is plugged into my computer. With the software that came with the CBA I have the CBA test the batteries at 250mA, a current in the neighborhood of what the average user would average were he to do his thing (including having push-mail fired up with the screen on bright, downloading and browsing rss feeds, the occasional call, the occasional call being recorded etc) without interruption. Looks a little like this:

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The point, in short, of all of this is to supply you with information that will help you choose which battery to buy. Thanks guys.

Doug Simmons
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Re: Second post reserved..

Postby doug » Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:51 pm

Gonna figure out what to put here later. But please don't let that stop you from posting something now. Anything. Need to get this shit rolling.
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Re: Second post reserved..

Postby jeremy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:17 pm

doug wrote:Gonna figure out what to put here later. But please don't let that stop you from posting something now. Anything. Need to get this shit rolling.


Reserved for rolling... and to test if I can post.
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in the mail

Postby doug » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:20 pm

Steve, your Seidio's on its way. Thanks again bro.

Shawn, what shall I do with your two batteries?

And what's the story with handles here? First names or xda names?
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Re: What the fuck is this all about?

Postby sm0k3y » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:46 pm

i dont know about betty's battery, keep it for now, we may have to give it back to betty but im not sure yet. ebay is really not helpful once you let them take over your case. the other battery you can send back to me whenever you are done testing it, if you dont have many tests going on run it again, i would like to see if there really is anything to this "charge the battery 5 times to "wake it up" to get its full potential" i doubt it but if you have a lack of batteries give it a shot. you can ship it to the return address on my envelopes.
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Re: in the mail

Postby rotohammer » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:02 pm

doug wrote:Steve, your Seidio's on its way. Thanks again bro.


It was worth the wait to know for sure whether or not I was getting ripped off. I got the battery back today, popped it in
my Nexus One, nice full charge, thanks!

Hopefully you receive the Seidio 1600 today or tomorrow.
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Re: 1600

Postby doug » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:43 pm

FedEx brought over Steve's Seidio 1600mAh for the N1. Charged it and am running it now, done around suppertime. Identical dimensions to the 1400mAh OEM.
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Re: Confused?

Postby rotohammer » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:14 am

So, now that the 1st run of testing is done on the Seidio 1600, my question is this:

Whats worse, a company that sells fake OEM batteries that under perform OEM

Or

A company that sells BETTER than OEM batteries that under perform OEM at a premium?
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cameron sino 2400

Postby doug » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:32 am

Okay, ran the Cameron Sino 2400 once, performed okay at 2025 or 84% of its claimed capacity. What is noteworthy is that we have found an N1 battery that is a little cheaper than the OEM and significantly cheaper per amp hour than the OEM. However it does take an expanded back door -- however at least they included one, Seidio opted not to. Covering two thirds of the side of the phone, It makes the N1 equally thick to the Tilt 2 and for those of you who love that stock sleeve thing, you can still squeeze it in there. If you're in the mood for another 50% of the OEM's life in one battery and you don't mind a thicker and heavier phone, I'd go with this puppy.

Hey all right, we've been spammed. Guess that means we've made it! ... and that phpbb3 doesn't run something like akismet out of the box like wp.

Maybe I ought to put an introverted robots.txt on this thing.
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motherfucking windows updates

Postby doug » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:21 am

Started a test late last night, checked it this morning, god damn windows forced a reboot.

Damn you Microsoft. Damn you.
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